Monday, April 03, 2006

It's not unusual to find out that I'm in love with you

For a common sense, hard-to-argue-with take on same sex marriage, mosey on over to this editorial in USA Today. Jonathan Turley argues that it may not be in either political party's best interest for this issue to go away. It's keeping the party rolls long and the coffers full. Still, he distills the debate to what matters:
Consenting adults should be able to assume the obligations of a civil union regardless of how their neighbors view their morality. As in other areas, adults should be able to follow the dictates of their own faith so long as they do not endanger or harm others, particularly minors.

Whether damnation awaits monogamists or polygamists or same-sex couples is a matter between citizens and their respective faiths. The government should address that aspect of marriage that concerns its insular needs: confirming the legal obligations of consenting adults. As for our politicians, there are levees to be rebuilt, corruption to end and wars to win.

Personally, the only thing that would interest me would be the legal contract anyway. Equal protection under the law. I don't give a tinker's damn about the religious stuff. I'd venture to guess that most homos feel the same way. Not that the distinction will matter much to the conservatives.

9 comments:

Curtis said...

Amen brother. I could care less what the Church says. I want to have all the same rights for my partner and me that heterosexuals have. I don't see why this should be such an issue anymore.

Bodhi said...

Personally, the one thing that would interest me would be what type of ring I would get. I'm thinking Cartier, platinum, bagette cut.

And if he really loved me, maybe he would buy us matching platinum Cartier watches as well. You know, cause love and elegence are beyond mere price tags.

*Sigh*

Bodhi said...

A kiss on the hand may be quite continental
But diamonds are a boy's best friend
A kiss may be grand but it won't pay the rental
On your humble flat, or help you at the automat
Men grow cold as boy's grow old
And we all lose our charms in the end
But square cut or pear shaped
These rocks don't lose their shape
Diamonds are a boy's best friend

Tiffany's, Cartier
Talk to me, Harry, Winston, tell me all about it
There may come a time when a guy needs a lawyer
But diamonds are a boy's best friend

There may come a time when a hard boiled employer
Thinks your awful nice
But get that ice or else no dice
He's your guy when stocks are high
But beware when they start to descend
It's then that those louses go back to their spouses
Diamonds are a boy's best friend
I've heard of affairs that are strictly platonic
But diamonds are a boy's best friend
And I think affairs that you must keep liaisonic
Are better bets if little pets get big baggettes
Time rolls on and youth is gone
And you can't straighten up when you bend
But stiff back or stiff knees
You stand straight at Tiffany's

Diamonds
Diamonds
I don't mean rhinestones
But Diamonds
Are A Boy's Best Friend

Jen said...

I don't give a tinker's damn about the religious stuff. I'd venture to guess that most homos feel the same way. Not that the distinction will matter much to the conservatives.

Not only does the distinction not matter to conservatives, but many of them don't think it should exist in the first place. These people think the laws of our country are based in the Bible (which is ludicrous and proves they don't read) and the only changes they want to see are to make everything more Old Testamentarian, except we're still supposed to say it's all about the J-man (which proves they don't even read the Bible). Freakin' wackos.

For every 5 times I have to argue with a conservative -- and a lot of so-called liberals, too -- over the marriage equality issue, at least 3 times I have to explain step-by-step that religious marriage and civil marriage are already two separate things in this country, that they do not even overlap in any way whatsoever, and that changing the law to allow equality for us queers cannot change anyone's church doctrine.

I swear to gods I don't even believe in, sometimes I think our biggest social problem is located in that place where rampant stupidity runs headlong into that uniquely American brand of idiotic know-it-all arrogance.

freakgirl said...

...have to explain step-by-step that religious marriage and civil marriage are already two separate things in this country, that they do not even overlap in any way whatsoever, and that changing the law to allow equality for us queers cannot change anyone's church doctrine.

You nailed it, Jen. There's a total disconnect. It drives me insane.

The spokesperson for America Atheists performed my marriage ceremony. So in the eyes of most of the country, I'm probably not married. ;)

Jen said...

Of course you're not really married, FG -- you're a godless heathen with no intention to produce a quiver full of offspring and that's almost as bad as being a homo. ;)

We see the same disconnect in the reproductive rights arguments. People think that their own religious beliefs about what life is must necessarily form the basis of truth, and from there it's just a hop, skip & a jump to abusing the law to force them off onto other people. For them, it's not about a distinction between a religious interpretation of an issue and a secular interpretation of the same issue; it's that their religious beliefs are True Fact and thus the law already is and should continue to be grounded in them.

When you add to that a near complete rejection of science -- just theoretically, mind, not like most of them don't cotton to heart surgery and television -- you can't even argue with them because it all comes back to: God said it, I believe it, and that's that. It's the laziest kind of thinking possible without going brain dead, and a compelling reason why history keeps cycling through one set of Holy Wars after another.

Michael said...

The laziest kind of thinking is right. Not thinking at all, let's just be spoonfed some comforting pablum that lets us know we are to be saved, we are chosen, and the OTHERS (not us) are damned.

The whole "the Bible says" thing drives me insane anyway. Even a cursory search into where the Bible comes to us from would show a lot of folks that it certainly wasn't from the horse's mouth, assuming you believe in the horse, that is. Which I don't. Well horses, I believe in, but...oh...ummm....you know what I mean.

Jen said...

If there's a horse religion, sign me the fuck up.

Michael said...

I gotta admit, I do like the sound of it.